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The Pope Said What About Atheists??

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May 23, 2013 by mattfradd


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Yesterday, Pope Francis made some remarks about atheists wich have shocked some and scandalized others.

An article in the Huffington Post, for example, read, “Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.”

Er, okay. So far I’m not getting how this is mind rocking material, but let’s see what he said in context and whether or not it’s something to be shocked about.

The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil.All of us. “But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.” Yes, he can… The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!.. We must meet one another doing good. “But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!” But do good: we will meet one another there.

Two things, it seems, need to be addressed here. 1. Did Christ die for all, and 2. can atheists be good.

Did Christ die for Atheists?

Um, obviously, YES! Christ died for all: Atheists, Hindu’s, Zoroastrians; even New Zealanders!

In his first letter to Timothy, St. Paul writes, “God . . . desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim 2:3-4). And in his second Letter, St. Peter writes, “The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance” (3:9).

When St. Paul and St. Peter say “all,” what they mean is . . . “all.” Shocking, I know.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: “There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer” (605).

Still not satisfied? Vatican II document, Lumen Gentium states:

Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.

Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel (16).

Notice the line, “through no fault of their own.” What this means is, that if one is, not just ignorant, but invincibly ignorant—not responsible for his ignorance—he may still be saved. It doesn’t mean he will be saved, only that salvation is a possibility.

If however, one knowingly and deliberately rejects the truth of God (something I imagine many atheists have done, but hey, I’m not omniscient so I’ll leave that to the big man), and dies unrepentant, he will not be saved but will go to Hell (this isn’t just true of atheists, but all people—including yours truly). The Catechism states:

To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.” (1033)

I think we need to make the distinction between redemption and salvation. While the death and resurrection of Christ redeemed the world, that redemption is not automatically applied to individuals. Faith, repentance and baptism do that. It’s analogous to me depositing a large sum in your bank account (redemption), a large sum which you will not benefit from until you draw upon it (initial salvation). I know, I know, it’s not perfect. No analogy is.

Can Atheists be good people?

Seriously? Does this even need to be addressed? The answer again, is obviously yes! You and I both know atheists who are virtuous people. We also both know people who claim to be Christian who are utter rotters!

When Pope Francis says, “do good: we will meet one another there.” It seems to me that he’s saying, let’s begin with what we agree with and go from there.

Bottom line, however, is that moral goodness doesn’t get you to Heaven, the blood of Christ alone does that.

So, in response to the Huffington Post, and everyone else who got bent out of shape, drink some herbal tea, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and calm down.

51 thoughts on “The Pope Said What About Atheists??

  1. Suzanne Bloomer says:

    This is timely. I am debating/explaining to some Christian/non-Catholic friends as we speak.

  2. Aaron says:

    The problem is many people are sharing the Huffington Post article as support for a Universalist view of salvation- that all people who do good, regardless of their lack of belief in Jesus as God (as is the case with Atheists), then they are REDEEMED. The Pope used the word “redeemed”, which is unfortunate, since redemption more or less is equated with going to heaven.

    Furthermore, The Pope attempted to prove his point by using the example in the Gospel of Mark (9:38-40) where Jesus tells his disciples not to hinder those who “do good” (actually is was casting out demons). The problem is those people in Mark where casting out demons IN JESUS’ NAME The Pope fails to mention that, and equates Atheists who do nothing in Jesus Name with who Jesus was talking about in those passages.

    Bottom line- all should do good and join other Christians and non-Christians in good works… but not as a means toward being redeemed/saved without Jesus- as the Pope more than insinuated, and misled many in the process.

    • Elizabeth says:

      Athiests aren’t without Jesus, even though they don’t consider Him they’re God, He considers them His people. And I’m pretty sure the people who crucified Him didn’t believe in Him, but He still said “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”

      • grandmarenee says:

        Amen to the Pope and Elizabeth’s reply. ‘Father forgive them for they know not what they do’ is the key answer about atheists. I never try to argue with them or convince them because when the are ready to hear the truth, they will hear it. I pray for them and put it in God’s hands. As far as the words the Pope used, let it go, as people hear what they want to hear. If their hearts are open they will hear the truth. 🙂

    • Molly says:

      Aaron, I’m gonna go ahead and trust the Pope on this one. What he said is more in line with what 12 years of Catholic schooling taught me and what I get from the Gospel at my parish. I fear you’ve been lead astray at some point if you really, honestly believe that an atheist cannot find redemption.

      • Aaron says:

        Where did I say an atheist could not find redemption?

      • Benfrancis Ratzberg says:

        I don’t think the good thief was ever a Catholic or Christian, and even believing that Jesus is God, but Jesus still told him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”Luke 23:43. Also, those who do good even without being conscious of God was still told, “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Mat 25:40. So I trust what the Pope said!

    • Ben C says:

      Yeah I agreed. It’s a bit misleading.

      Apostle Paul writes: “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins” (Ephesians 1:7-8). “God sent forth his Son…to *REDEEM* those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons” (Galatians 4:4-5). We “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (Romans 3:23-24).

      Redemption is just so closely related to salvation and justification (condition of being just or righteous in the sight of God). God calls all men to repent and believe, but are ALL MEN “redeemed” by the blood of Jesus?

      Additionally Jesus says, “but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (John 10:26-27). So I think the Pope is saying an individual who does not believe, does not hear Jesus’ voice, and is not a part of his flock is redeemed??

    • Lets give the pope the benefit of doubt here.After all for 2000 years all previous popes,saints,councils,doctors of the Church etc have held to Biblical truth.That jesus died for all but obviously many indeed most of mankind aren ot saved because they have free will to reject GODs forgiveness.Those who die in unbelief and mortal sin go to hell.If you read the whole speech the pope was talking about working with atheists for moral good in society.But that does not exclude sharing the gospel of Jesus to them to bring them salvation

    • Kyle says:

      No offense intended but people should worry about thier own lifestyle and destination. We as people only have the right to unite not judge (not saying you are). The only thing we can do is spread the truth in the best possible fashion we can, if they are not able to recognize it, we pray it is an honest reaction. But in the end God will justly evaluate and decide the perfect result.

    • Aaron,
      I think what the holy father was saying that everyone is redeemed by Christ’ blood but not everyone is saved, there seems to be a difference let me explain
      Redemption is for all man it is a gift from God that we have all been redeemed but salvation is for those who realize their need for redemption and cry out to Jesus to save them thus accepting the free gift of salvation,
      “..everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Joel 2:32a NIV)

      but as scripture tells us
      “How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” (Romans 10:14-15 NIV)

      so as you can see the Pope is not saying that everyone is going to heaven but that everyone has the opportunity to cry out to Jesus to be saved through God’s grace.

  3. iprimap says:

    If an atheist, pagan or other such unbeliever is told what the Truth is and refuses to repent, then the claim of invincible ignorance no longer applies. Most atheists in Western society know full well what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is, regardless that many of its adherents may lack in moral virtue and fortitude. Such atheists are therefore just as without excuse as those Christians who deliberately fail in their walk with Christ. Pope Francis has been consistently very imprecise with his language, and whether intentioned or not, this gives rise to the liberal assertion of universal salvation from the mouth of the Pope. I am very disappointed in this Pope’s continued imprecision in language that fosters this kind of misunderstanding.

    • Marnie says:

      On the outside we don’t see repentance, but just as Matt said, “I’m not omniscient so I’ll leave that to the big man”. We are not here to judge, but to be an example of a gospel of love and forgiveness and I believe this is what our Pope did and continues to do very well!

    • Jeff says:

      I’m an atheist and I’ve heard the alleged “Truth.” I’ve also heard such things from Mormons, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Wiccans, Pastafarians, Jedi Knights, etc. The reason some atheists are atheists is because all of the above sound just as silly a reason to believe in a mythology as any of the others named. None stand out to me as the “Truth” so I ignore them. I don’t use it as an excuse to not believe, I simply cannot, based on my life experience and the things I’ve seen/heard, reach the conclusion that there is a god or gods at all. That is how I see the world and I find deep comfort in that.

      • Benfrancis Ratzberg says:

        Jeff, if you merely reacted to what sounds silly to you AND THEN IGNORED THEM, then I don’t think you’ve done enough to puRsue the “TRUTH”.

    • Jocelyn says:

      He said “to do good” and that “the Lord has redeemed all of us.” These things are very true. He did not say that just “doing good” will get you into heaven (although I am sure that people will twist it into that) but that we need to meet one another doing good. And honestly, as long as you are alive you have the chance to find faith.
      Also, I have had many conversations with atheists – what they are told of the Gospel is sometimes so far off of the Truth that it’s astonishing. And so many who do believe are so poorly educated in the Catechism that they haven’t the first notion of how to effectively communicate the Gospel. So yes, all these people have heard OF Jesus and heard OF the Word but so many have not even been given the beginnings of accurate theological information. Who are any of us to decide what constitutes invincible ignorance – that judgement is reserved for God alone.
      But all people whether they believe or not must be encouraged to do good, must be encouraged to live God-fearing lives even if their belief is not explicit. Give them the Truth. But don’t tell them that they’re doomed to Hell because they don’t believe – none of us is doomed until judgement, and none of us will be the judge. If you tell non-believers that they are going to Hell (and most of the western world has been taught that Hell is not really real and if it is only people like Hitler go there) then you lose them as an audience. If you tell them to do good and that Jesus died to save us ALL and to forgive ALL of our repented sins, no matter how great the sins were, then you have the chance to open them up to the Truth.
      The atheist who was given inaccurate information, but lives a good and morally upright life has a better shot at coming to a belief in God than the atheist who was given inaccurate information and spends their life in immorality and purposely harming others. One of the first steps to seeking and finding God is to try to live a good life according to God’s will. Pope Francis is trying to set non-believers down the path to God. Belief in God and Jesus and Salvation requires that at some point one takes a leap of faith, which can be terrifying for some people, and which many atheists have been taught all their lives to never do.
      If you don’t know the Truth, then find the Truth.
      If you have trouble finding the Truth, then at least spend your life seeking the Truth.
      If you don’t believe, then at least be good.
      Basically, don’t throw the baby out with the bath-water. As long as they live there is hope for their salvation, and they must be encouraged to screw it up as little as possible.

      • Kacee says:

        Jocelyn, you are right on! Very well said. Just like bringing the horse to water analogy…you can’t make him drink, but you certainly can bring him to the place where the water is life-giving, should he be so further led. I think our Pope is doing just what you said, encouraging rather than discouraging the thirsty. The Truth remains the same.

    • commitment says:

      Just because someone is told does not mean they truly believe it. If I were to steal something even thought i was told it to be wrong but i truly in my heart did not think it was wrong, would that still be held against me?

      • commitment says:

        You have to have full consent, has to be a grave matter, and you have to have full knowledge. If you don’t truly believe even after have been told it’s not mortal. A lack of knowledge or freedom only reduces our culpability (our degree of responsibility or guilt). We’ve still committed an act that is objectively evil. Such an act cannot help us to grow in grace, virtue or charity. The only upside is that our reduced responsibility means that we don’t kill the life of grace entirely.

  4. MJ says:

    It certainly got us talking, didn’t it! You GO, Pope Francis—love your open arms!

  5. Marcy says:

    I think he meant we are all redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ, who died once and for all! But not all of us will be saved. That requires for most, unless you are totally ignorant of Jesus, a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, a relationship with Him, and good works. Remember , Not all who say Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of God. ” Mathew 7:21

  6. Due to use of the word “redeemed,” I’m not convinced this is what he was saying. But it does make me eager to hear him speak more on this subject.

  7. Susie Lloyd says:

    The pope said, “Do good.” Your question should not be, “Can atheists be good?” It should be, “Can atheists do good?” This is not a hair splitting distinction. As the pope acknowledges, good actions – yes, anyone can do a good, just, moral act. And should. Goodness, however, as a state of being, belongs to God. (“No one IS good but God alone.” Jesus.) God then gives a share in this goodness through His grace alone.

  8. jeanne says:

    Pope Francis does not speak english, or at least not well. Any english translation you have read of what he says has been done by someone else. Be sure that you know exactly what he is saying.

  9. Ron says:

    I think it would be good to exercise care with these partial excerpts from Pope Francis’ daily homilies. They aren’t published in their entirety, word for word, as far as I can tell, by anyone. Father Z made a good point that what the Holy Father said is that, if atheists are saved, it will be through Christ’s sacrifice, not on their own merits.

    Also, I’ve always had a problem with the Cathchism saying those who, “through no fault of their own” can be saved by living lives in accordance with God’s will. In this day and age, is that possible? Is it really possible not to learn that there is a Christian message and what it is? Also, does that mean that if I share the Gospel with an atheist and he refuses to accept it he lost all chance at salvation?

    In sum, I think we need to exercise prudence when dealing on these topics.

    • Quid says:

      There’s a huge distinction between presenting someone with the Gospels and actually presenting him with the truth, like the CCC is talking about. If I was only exposed to Christianity by the westboro Baptists, for example, I certainly wouldn’t be Christian, but I would’t be culpable if I believed all Christianity was a hate group. Presenting an atheist/non-believer with the truth needs to be more than shoving a Bible in his face. I think invincible ignorance applies to all non-Christians who have heard the word of God misrepresented in some way, and assume all Christianity is like those stereotypes.

  10. William Doyle. says:

    Today i read about an athiest that became a christian and about a pastor who now says there is no God.

  11. Tisha says:

    We play too much of a semantics game with these issues. The Pope is the Pope, he’s not an orator or a professor of semantics. He comments on the teachings of the Church, all of which are readily and immediately available for further clarification in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. If his comments spark a question in the mind of a non-believer, perhaps that is much for the better.

  12. Alice says:

    I think a lot of people are atheists because they’ve had something happen in their lives that completely turned them against GOD. It makes sense. If it is someone who has to take accountability for something, they can’t so they blame it on God and they get where they want nothing to do with anything spiritual.. They want to believe in nothing so they can control every aspect of their lives.. Only God does control everything in our lives not us. Sweet and Simple.
    I see this in family members who say they are atheists. What I see is intelligence is one sign of someone wanting it to do it their way.. They are too smart for their own good.

  13. Alice says:

    Pope Francis really hit a nerve when he speaks the truth. Is it the conscience that makes us feel that what he is saying is really true. It is Jesus speaking through him. Jesus arranged it that way by putting Peter in charge as Pope all those many, many years ago. I believe he is an honest and loving man and wants what’s best for God’s people. I don’t think he wants people to go to hell. We will if we don’t obey the laws(commandments) of God. So far, our country is probably batting 0 on most of these. Look at the corruption, murder(abortion) lies, affairs, honoring our parents. Going to church.etc. When we need a refreshment after a work week and to start another week; as Catholic’s we go to Mass and receive the body and blood of our Lord (We are saved by the body and blood). How can anyone leave that and just walk away without a thought. How could someone walk away from something so beautiful?

  14. Rachael says:

    On your last note Matt,
    Keep Calm
    and read the
    CCC ;P

    Serious though, I totally get this. I’ve always thought, your eternal life in simple terms (simple terms used VERY loosely since your eternal life depends on alot of complexity that noone can fully know but God) depends on how you make choices in life with all the information you’ve been given. Like people said, you don’t need to be catholic or Christian to be “saved”.
    It depends on how you live your life according to the rules on good and bad you’ve been given.
    Heck if someone has murdered someone (extreme situation) and they’ve genuinely grown up with that and (somehow ) have never been taught that it’s a bad thing, doesn’t mean they’ll go to hell.
    Also if someone doesn’t believe in God and hasn’t been shown any glimpse of Christianity, doesn’t mean they can’t have salvation.
    However if someone is living their life and blatantly choosing wrong paths and making selfish decisions or taking bad paths when they’ve had every opportunity to do good. For example people in the abortion industry, who may then genuinely see the wrong in what they’re doing, but then never seek a way to get out of it at all..
    Lots of different things….
    Peace out !! God Bless

  15. […] Er, okay. So far I’m not getting how …read more […]

  16. someatheist says:

    I am an atheist. I too believe that atheists can be good people without a god. However, this directly contradicts the Bible.

    “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.” (Psalm 53:1)

    So which is it? Is the Bible the infallible word of God? Or the flawed word of man? Or can we arbitrarily just pick and choose which parts we like, and ignore the rest?

    • Rachel says:

      Actually, the resounding message here isn’t “that atheists can be good people without a god”, it’s that atheists can be good without believing that God exists. This is an important distinction.

      If you look up 1 John 4:7-8, you’ll read something along the lines of:

      Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God and knows God. Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love.

      Now, my interpretation may be off, so if anyone with a better understanding of this psalm would like to jump in, please do so! But if I am understanding this correctly, in the context of knowing that God is love, many atheists haven’t said in their hearts that there is no God (completely). Yes, as a matter of definition, atheists don’t believe in God, but those atheists that do good still believe in the importance of love, and thus they exhibit the God that is within them whenever they love.

      So the Bible is, indeed, the infallible word of God. Each portion of the Bible is important, and we can’t take it or leave it as we see fit. And I’m willing to bet that any question you have about the Bible (in terms of “How can this be so?” or “Why is this written?”) has been answered hundreds of thousands of times over, seeing as the Bible has been around for a decent amount of time. All you have to do is ask 🙂

    • The part you don’t get is that you are being good with God whether you believe in him or not. God is the source of all goodness. He doesn’t actually need you to acknowledge him by name, system, creed, etc. to help you to do good. While we are certainly capable of far more good when we do acknowledge God’s place and action in our lives, all he really needs is for our free will cooperate with his grace.

  17. Makaela says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Jesus die for the people BEFORE there was a Catholic Church? I’m Catholic myself and I’ve never been able to grasp this idea that only Catholics can make it to heaven.

    • That’s because it’s never actually been true. The old line of “Outside of the Church there can be no salvation” has been too narrowly interpreted. The Church is necessary for salvation because Christ is necessary for salvation. Belonging to the Church, as I interpret the Catechism and the Vatican II documents, starts with the Catholic Church and ultimately extends out to “all people of good will” (which is pretty much what Pope Francis has said).

  18. Peder Rice says:

    As an atheist, I despise the fact that this news spread like wildfire throughout the religious community. From the atheist perspective: there is no afterlife, there is no personal god, and Jesus probably never existed. So why would we care about the Pope’s comments unless they are derogatory or could lead to violence against atheists?

    Even if the Pope said that hey, we’re all welcome into Heaven, it would mean absolutely nothing to me, because I believe in the afterlife like I believe in the Easter Bunny.

    This whole debate is nonsense.

    • kacee says:

      Well, some of us care very much. About you. It probably is nonsense to you, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care for what I (in your mind, erroneously) believe could affect you. “Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning…”
      ― C.S. Lewis
      I guess that’s just the kind of crazy, complicated world I choose to live in 🙂

    • John Baker says:

      Precisely! As a fellow atheist I monitor the emissions of sky-fairy-followers primarily to anticipate when they’re on the verge of going violent. I do the same for secular leaders because being a dangerous thug is oddly ecumenical. Otherwise I do not care what fantasies infest the heads of my fellow human beings as long it doesn’t hurt or cost me anything.

    • Tom Long says:

      Peder,

      I am a 64-year-old atheist and I am going to give you a little advise, Lad.
      Take it or leave it.
      I’ll bet you are very young and brought up either Catholic or Jewish.

      You speak as angrily as I spoke 46 years ago when I came to the realization.
      It is natural to be angry. We were taught from infancy that we would live forever.
      Then intellect intervened.
      I have mellowed over the years, however. I have come to gentle terms with it all, I guess.

      It is wrong to rant against Believers. It is wrong to try to destroy their faith.
      Bless them. Leave their lives alone. Do not try to change them. I wish I were one of them.
      Bless Pope Francis for his wisdom.
      Have you ever read the poems of Louis Aragon? He was atheistic.

      By last estimate the universe is three trillion light years in diameter.
      Seems impossible……but it is true.

      Impossible?
      A lead-off hitter in a baseball game cannot hit a grand slam home run.
      But that’s a man-made rule, is it not?

      Tom Long

    • Then why are you participating?

  19. transc. says:

    This blog post is on point if you read all of it. Christ died for all. Paul testifies that Christ did not die for Catholics, Protestants or even Atheists. He died for sinners, thats that.
    That God wants all to be saved, and has died for all, does not – as the blog post later makes clear – ‘save’ everyone. The pope did not say so, that is universalism, which is false.
    I do think the above quote by the pope is inadequate, but then again this is only a translation, and i dont know the context.
    But, in short, do not mistake his words to mean that atheists are saved. Being saved means knowing and loving God. True atheists are thus, per definition, not saved, because they neither know or love God – that is why they call themselves atheists.

  20. Lioba says:

    Jesus Christ himself said:
    John 5:
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

    Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

    And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

  21. David Odell says:

    The most important point to make here is that the POPE is NOT the authority of Christ and by his own “acceptance” of the “exalting” by the Catholic church and the members there of , he exposes his utter lack of understanding of the true gospel.
    The POPE does NOT stand in the place of Christ on earth, [Vicar of Christ], NO, but the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD DOES!!!
    Shame on the countless false teachings of the Catholic Church…
    All of them, ALL OF THEM point people subtly or OUTRIGHT to the sinful flesh of man, and takes their ATTENTION and COMPLETE FAITH off of the LAMB OF GOD!

    Matthew 7:14
    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and “FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT.
    Matthew 7:22-23
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    Revelation 12:11
    11 And “THEY OVERCAME” him BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    1 Corinthians 1:28-29
    28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
    29 That “NO FLESH” should glory in his presence.
    Leviticus 26:1
    26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, NEITHER REAR YOU UP A STANDING IMAGE, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

  22. Blonde says:

    Jesus says beleive and you shall be saved
    The pope is only a human being,not god.people are confused enough so let it be…………..

  23. […] not really good with remembering Scripture, so I have Matt Fradd to thank for his article about Pope Francis’ homily.  God “wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim 2:4) […]

  24. Paul H. says:

    Leave it to the “good” Catholics to remind everyone: The Pope was wrong; you’re still awful and going to hell to suffer for eternity, sinner. But God loves you.

  25. Rachel says:

    “Even New Zealanders,” heeheeehee!

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